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Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1445185691000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gomez, Stoneham, Forrester, Bassnett
Irene is my great grandmother. My family and I have been trying to solve the mystery for years. We know next to nothing. All we know is that her name was Irene and she was born in India, as was her sister Isabella. (There has been a story that they were both made orphans as her mother died of childbirth, but we do not know that for sure). Irene was a military nurse, and she went on to marry George Douglas Stoneham, a British sergeant. Isabella married a man who we know as Ned, though it was shortened - we don't know the name. His surname was double barrelled but we believe the name Forrester could be one of the surnames. Irene and George had one daughter, my nan, Melanie Bernadette Stoneham. Irene's bestfriend is believed to be called Lillas, surname unknown. Lillas married a John (or Jack) Bassnett
I have so many pictures of Irene, and I was named after her too. I want to solve the mystery, and I want to know more. Unfortunately, Irene has passed away. I have no idea whether Isabella is alive, but If ANYONE may have any information, PLEASE let me know. I need to know the truth.

Re: Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1445224768000
Classification: Query
A time frame would be useful and potentially productive, and what exactly does (Gomez?) refer to. ?

Frankly, after having read that numerous times, and having nearly become cross eyed in doing so, I couldn't make head nor tale of it.

Because writing in a solid unspaced block of text makes comprehending the information in a post extremely difficult, especially when more than on person is mentioned and when the text refers to one person, and then to another person, and then back to the first person.

Which version is clearer and easier to grasp. ?

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Irene is my great grandmother.

We know next to nothing. All we know is that her name was Irene and she was born in India, as was her sister Isabella.

Irene was a military nurse, and she went on to marry George Douglas Stoneham, a British sergeant. Irene and George had one daughter, my nan, Melanie Bernadette Stoneham.

Irene's best friend is believed to be called Lillas, surname unknown. Lillas married a John (or Jack) Bassnett

Isabella married a man who we know as Ned, though it was shortened - we don't know the name.
His surname was double barrelled but we believe the name Forrester could be one of the surnames.

My family and I have been trying to solve the mystery for years.
(There has been a story that they were both made orphans as her mother died of childbirth, but we do not know that for sure).

I have so many pictures of Irene, and I was named after her too. I want to solve the mystery, and I want to know more.

Unfortunately, Irene has passed away.
I have no idea whether Isabella is alive, but If ANYONE may have any information, PLEASE let me know. I need to know the truth.

Re: Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1445226526000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1445229930000
Where and when did George and Irene marry. ? There isn't any such marriage record in England or Wales nor for British civilians or members of the Army marrying overseas.

There is a baptism record in India for Isabella Violet Gomez in 1914 in Dhurrumtollah in Bengal, which is now Dharmatala, it's an area in the center of Calcutta which is now Kolkata.

Re: Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1473462131000
Classification: Query
First of all, I hadn't seen your reply until just now as I sit in bed still almost a year on wondering if I will ever know about my great grandmother Irené and trying, after all these years to still try and find anything that I can.

Secondly, there is no need to be rude. I'm simply trying to find out information about someone very dear to my family and I.

Perhaps there is a lot of information crammed into one message but that is all the information my family and I know. And I was hoping that someone would see it and perhaps one day reply with some sort of information.

Re: Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1473478485000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1473478557000
Nothing rude was being said to you. You weren't being insulted, you were being assisted.

People often misconstrue constructive criticism as being rude, and in fact it's merely a matter of effective practicality. Information in an enquiry that is clear, unambiguous, and laid out in a way that is easy to quickly grasp, comprehend, and absorb, is much more likely to get a successful response.

As for not seeing replies to your post, an automatic reply is sent both to your ancestry account, and to the offsite email account that you use for ancestry. Sometimes that system stops working properly, that has happened at least twice and for extended periods in the past couple of years. The most recent occurrence was early this year and it was finally rectified several months ago.

If an ancestry member clicks on the word ancestry at the left hand side of the black menu bar which is at the top of every page, they will be taken to the page which lists any replies to their message posts.

Re: Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1473508741000
Classification: Query
I am not certain of the year which George and Irene married, but my Nan said she believes it could be 1941 or 1942. They were married in India.

I am not sure of the date they came back to England either.

Irene was born in 1910. I don't know what year Isabella was born but I do know she was born before Irene.

Sadly, what we do know is very limited. I don't think we will ever know.

Re: Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1487288551000
Classification: Query
I saw your post when just browsing around and thought I might add a bit if you are still looking. I cannot see what is not clear about what you are looking for!
First of all taking a look at "Indian" history could be an idea. From the pictures you have posted it would appear that Irene was mixed race - often referred to in those days as Anglo-Indians or "Coloureds" - and with the name Gomez most likely of Portuguese descent. This would point to her having been born in Goa which was ruled by the Portuguese who were much more laid-back about mixing with the Indians. This does not mean she may not have moved into British India, where Delhi was, later on. If she was born in Goa finding a record of her birth may be more difficult but it is worth trying the India Office Library, now at the British Library. They have a section which deals with genealogical queries and are very helpful. There is also an organisation called Families in British India (FIBIS) but this may not be of help if you are dealing with Portuguese nationals. I suggest you try googling both India Office Library and FIBIS and see what links look as though they might be useful. Another quirk of history might be a clue as well. For some reason (don't ask me what!) the Indian Railways were almost monopolised by the mixed race/Anglo Indian/coloured community. Senior administrators were mostly, I understand, British, but otherwise it was mixed race folk - and Heaven help any Indians trying to muscle in. As they say in Yorkshire "There's nowt so queer as folk!" If you are still looking and the other leads go nowhere it might be worth trying to find if the Indian Railways have an Archive.

Altogether an intriguing story - the best of luck with your searches.

Re: Irene and Isabella (Gomez?) , born in Delhi, India.

Posted: 1487346877000
Classification: Query
A couple of other things have come to mind which might be useful. I assume you have Melanie B.'s birth certificate which shows she was born in Chippenham, Wilts, in the June quarter 1949. Mother's name Gomez, Ref: 7c 547. This means they were definitely in England at that date - quite probably half way through 1948. Even if they married in 1941-2, it is unlikely that they returned to England before 1945 because of wartime conditions. As George was in the British Army he may well have returned on a troop-sip with Irene following later. I do not think that troop-ships had "ordinary" passenger lists - the names of people carried would probably have been held by the Army authorities. If they came separately, Irene may well have come in 1947-8. After India gained independence in 1947 all people claiming British citizenship were given the chance of repatriation to GB which led to a flood of Anglo-Indians/coloured/mixed race people claiming their British citizenship as they felt they would not be welcome in an "Indian" India!. This would tie in well with Melanie's birth-date of 1949.
There is one other thing. You have posted on the East India Company board which deals with the actual EIC history. You might get some more helpful response if you posted on the Locations board for UK and Ireland - Historical British Empire.

Hope these musings are of some help.
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