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Identifying coat of arms on sword, possibly German

Identifying coat of arms on sword, possibly German

Posted: 1568852719000
Classification: Query
My father in law recently gave my husband a sword that he had found in his aunt's house when she passed away. This aunt was the family collector and had many family keepsakes, so we think this sword was an ancestor's possession, not purchased as a collectible. The family mainly comes from Germany. It appears to be a German Imperial hunting sword - it is on the smaller side and the scabbard has an additional hilt for a knife. There is a coat of arms engraved on the blade and hilt of the sword that we have not been able to identify. It is an oval with three roses, supported by a lion and a griffin, with a crown and ermine lambrequin. Photos are attached. Many thanks in advance for any information!
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Re: Identifying coat of arms on sword, possibly German

Posted: 1568939744000
Classification: Query
I think that the first thing that you have to do is to initially compile a list of male surnames connected with that side of the family (the Aunt's) going back, at least, to the 18th century. From this list you will have a base from which to work and you should then examine the arms registered in those surnames and eliminate those that do not have arms recorded against that surname.

To do this you will have to get a genuine paternal pedigree for the Aunt's side of the family done dating back to the 1700s. If she was married, this would also include the husband's paternal pedigree.

Had the arms been of British origin, the task would have been much easier with the use of an 'ordinary of arms' (like 'Papworth's) to hone in on the actual design. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to enable this to be done with non-British (Continental) arms.

If/when you have that paternal pedigree of the Aunt's side of the family, perhaps you could share those surnames with us and we'll see what we can find for you.

If the arms shown follow the accepted hatchings for heraldic colours I think that the background of the shield would be red (Gules - vertical stripes) and from that fact the Roses should be either gold (Or) or silver (Argent).

Re: Arenberg

Posted: 1569856867000
Classification: Query
Edited: 1569857802000
Surnames: Arenberg
Blazoning of the arms: "drei Mispelblüten (Rosen) auf rotem Grund" - Gules, three medlar-blossoms (roses), Or. "A" for Arenberg is engraved on the blade. Arms represent Arenberg, Count of the Empire 1547, Prince 1576, Duke (Herzog) 1644. The Duchy of Arenberg is located in the Rhineland-Palatine near Belgium. There is an Arenberg Foundation or Centre.

Re: Arenberg

Posted: 1570064210000
Classification: Query
There appears to be an anomaly with the spelling of the name - apparently it can be spelt ARENBERG and also AREMBERG. However, Riestaps Armorial General gives the surname as Aremberg and the blazon fits the arms image as well. The surname of Arenberg is a totally different coat of arms as you can see from the images below.The town of Arenberg/Aremberg coat of arms differs from those of the duchy in having a gold chief containing three Torteaux on top of the arms of the duchy.
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