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Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387927419000
Classification: Query
I'm trying to figure out the birth name and parents of my great-great-grandmother. I have a few bits of information but in them she is always referenced by her married name. I know that she was married in ~1881 and had a daughter in 1885. She appears in the 1900 U.S. Census and her future husband appears in the 1880 census, but I can locate neither one of them in the 1890 census. By 1910 he is listed as a widower so she obviously died between 1900 and 1910 but I can find no record of that, either. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to find out more about this woman, such as her name before she was married?

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387930151000
Classification: Query
Jeffrey,

Firstly, there are no 1890 Census Records. The vast majority of the 1890 Census was destroyed in a fire in 1921.

Secondly, if you want help with finding info regarding your great-great-grandmother, more information would be needed. Such as her name, who she married, where they married, and where they lived.

With the above information, maybe someone can point you in the right direction.

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387932736000
Classification: Query
I did not know that about the 1890 census. That's actually helpful as I was confused as to why these people just disappeared for 20 years.

Here is a summary of what I know about this set of great-great-grandparents:

Frances Wagner, the wife of Nathaniel Wagner, was born in May 1854 according to the 1900 census, and had been married for 19 years, putting the year of marriage around 1881. According to the same census she was born in Pennsylvania.

According to the 1880 census, Nathaniel was living in Lindley, New York. The next mention of him I have found was the aforementioned 1900 census, when he was living with his wife and daughter in Avoca, New York.

My great-grandmother, their daughter, Jessie, was born in either 1885 or 1886, in either New York or Pennsylvania, depending on which census you look at.

I've been hoping to find something that references the maiden name of Frances Wagner, but I've not been able to find any death records for her, nor marriage records for Nathan, or even birth records for Jessie. Since I have no maiden name I have no idea who to look for before her marriage to Nathan in the early 1880s. It's possible there was much moving back and forth across the New York-Pennsylvania border, but so far I haven't found any data on ancestry.com to fill in the missing information.

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387935615000
Classification: Query
So have you searched the 1910 Census for a Nathaniel Wagner, age about 65, born in New York?

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387936235000
Classification: Query
Yes, he was already widowed at that time, which means Frances died between 1900 and 1910, but nowhere can I find a record of this death or even a grave. Of course, I'm sure the possibility exists that they never actually married and she is buried under her maiden name. However, I cannot find any records for the birth of their daughter, either.

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387969272000
Classification: Query
Hi Jeffrey,

Not related.

Do you have your great-grandmother's marriage record? If not, I would highly recommend purchasing a copy as it MAY contain the information you seek.

Merry Christmas,
Laurie

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387987440000
Classification: Query
No, I don't have that. Until I started doing this research my family didn't know much of anything about our history. Where would I purchase the record you mentioned? Why do you recommend getting my great-grandmother's marriage record? Wouldn't my great-great-grandfather's marriage record, if it exists, show the maiden name of the woman he married? I'm not opposed to spending a little bit of extra money if it will solve this mystery for me.

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387991746000
Classification: Query
Hi Jeffrey,

Do you know where your great-grandmother married? The reason I recommend getting your great-grandmother's marriage record is "theoretically she is the one providing the information" when she got married, and most likely she would know what her mother's maiden was. Once you get your great-grandmother's marriage record (hopefully) it will list her mother's surname and the search MAY be easier to locate the record of your great-great grandfather's marriage record. The problem with getting your great-great grandfather's marriage record is you don't have a date, nor a surname for her, or a location...makes searching difficult and costly.

In New York, the marriage records are $22.00 and they will search in 3 year increments if you don't have an exact date but a time frame, say 1880-1883. However if you don't have the exact date and if they have to do a wide search, the cost goes up exponentially.

I hope this helps,
Laurie

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387992132000
Classification: Query
Thanks, Laurie. What you say makes a lot of sense. I'll do some review of my great-grandmother and see if there's something I missed. In all likelihood, however, I may have to end up going to the state and seeing if they have anything. Hopefully, they would be able to find something.

Re: Trying To Determine Maiden Name

Posted: 1387993735000
Classification: Query
Hi
Just an idea as to who Frances might be, obviously you need to find a record to be sure.
As you said, Nathaniel Wagner is in Lindley, Steuben in 1880, with his mother Lucinda and step father. The marriage to Frances must have been not long after, so maybe they are close by?
What we know about Frances if the info from 1900 was accurate is that she was born in Pennsylvania and her parents were from New York
Well in Lindley in 1880, and indeed on the very same census page as Nathaniel, is a Frances Baker, born Penn and parents born New York. Daughter of Peter + Mary. Her age is transcribed as 13. In fact it says 23. As her parents are 73 and 68 she certainly can't be 13
The Bakers were living in Lindley in 1870 as well. This time Frances is given as 17 years old.
(I think in the 1892 NY census Nathaniel + Frances may appear as Wagoner? Where they are aged 41 and 30 and Jessie, 6. So not sure that these ages are always reliable)
Maybe Steuben could be the place to look for a marriage
John
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