See my response on the Seagraves board... hope to hear from you soon! Now to add to those other replies, I know we have gone over your Gilbert and my John 1858 but to rehash it to memory, William grandfather to both the men you inquire about, is son of John, from Wake Co, NC. They migrate together with their parents, John and Martha/Patsy, sister Parthena and brother Burell. I suspect we likely connect but Wake Co in that time period is such a conundrum. Lack of records and plethora of Seagraves at least on my end with Williams and Johns makes everything confusing for sure!!!!